Tuck Detchon Writes

Introduction:

Most of the quoted descriptions and meanings of these cards, as well as the included photographs of their art, come from the following (and the booklet included with it): Arthur Edward Waite and Pamela Colman Smith. The Rider-Waite® Tarot Deck. U.S. Games Systems, Inc., 2004. (From here on I’ll refer to this source as the “RWS Deck”.)

I will also be referencing the materials on learntarot.com Copyright 1995-2021 by Joan Bunning. (I’ll refer to this as “Learning the Tarot.”)

Below I will describe and interpret one accidental (one-card) draw; three readings of my first intentional (three-card) draw; and a final, intentional, one-card draw. 

My Sister got me the deck for my last birthday (Fr. 25/01/31). 

Though I have had this deck (my first tarot deck) for a few months now, I decided to focus on these three drawings and really digest them before moving on and increasing the rate at which I do drawings/readings. I eventually want to graduate to being able to do readings with playing cards. In fact, that was my goal before ever realizing I should start with the RWS Deck (despite the obviousness of that strategy — we’re talking literal years and years of this not occurring to my dumb ass).

Since life happens, this post itself has been in progress for a month or more (much longer since I originally drafted its outline). A lot of the detailed minutiae has been cut out, but the bones of the post are left and as I see it they remain uncanny. Of course one person’s synchronicities are another’s Barnum statements, so take the following with a grain of salt.

Draw Zero:

Before I made either of the two intentional draws I get into below, while I was shuffling for the first time a single card dropped from the deck and fell to the floor — the Five of Wands:

RWS Deck: “A posse of youths are brandishing staves, as if in sport or strife. It is mimic warfare, and hereto correspond the Divinatory Meanings: Imitation, for example, sham fight, the strenuous competition and struggle of the search after riches and fortune. Hence some attributions say that it is a card of gold, gain, opulence.”

Learning the Tarot: (Paraphrased) Argument and obstructions.

Here are my broad and general associations with this card (besides my frequent interpersonal and domestic conflicts):

The Discourse. The Internet. Social Media. Mass Media. Real Existing Culture War, by which I mean the dominant array of forces and combatants, as opposed to a specific, abstract, and idealized position or stance which we might hold. 

Plurality of competing bourgeois political parties and candidates. The Fascism behind them (Ecocidal/Omnicidal Capitalism, Imperialism, Colonialism, Racism, Cis-Hetero-Patriarchy, Ableism, Theocracy, and more), and all the ideological hypocrisies it morphs and molds itself into, pretending to struggle for “rights” and “freedoms,” when in reality the only goal is to enslave, dominate, exploit, oppress, and abuse. Inter-Imperialist rivalry — most often the bourgeoisie wield states, armies, nations, populations like staves and clatter them together until they are shattered and splintered, casting the broken bodies aside when they’re finished so they can gobble up the land, resources, and markets. All in pursuit of value valorization, the M-C-M’ cycle (initial value of money → commodity (produced or purchased) → modified value of money) of Capitalism.

Leftist infighting and weakness — toothlessness: even if the unity of different fronts and mass movements was principled, or unprincipled, ideological and organizational struggle on the Left is itself low stakes even as the fate of the whole world hangs in the balance. We LARP online a lot; this is especially true for me as I have to admit that even if there was increased radical activity I’m not tapped into it in real life so I wouldn’t know.

In general my view is that the world is run by a pedophile-fascist conspiracy-terrorism system. I feel like recent revelations about cultural and political leaders involved with human trafficking and the intensification of the until-now successfully obscured fascist current of the world system validates this view of mine which I have held and articulated for over a decade. Fascism is both capitalism in crisis and colonialism coming home to roost, and it is the collective equivalent of individual pedophilia. These are the worst possible moral crimes possible at the individual and collective levels, and they lead back and forth into each other: the fascists are pedophiles and the pedophiles are fascists. We need only to remember some of the stories coming out of the United States and Israel in the past few years to verify this claim.

All the petty and cosmetic arguments and loyal opposition among the contending major parties in the United States and the Western World especially but elsewhere generally remain a mask to the underlying pedophile-fascist conspiracy-terrorism system pulling strings which are leading directly and consummately to the extermination of complex life on Earth and, in the meantime, the immiseration and impoverishment of “the 99%.”

This card, Draw Zero, establishes the context for both the world cultural conditions at large and the next draw, and then that one maybe for the next one.

Draw One:

Above is the first intentional Tarot drawing I have ever done (Th. 25/03/06). I did a basic three card draw, from left to right representing the past, present, and future (RWS Deck):

1. Knight of Pentacles, Reversed: “Inertia, idleness, repose of that kind, stagnation — also discouragement, carelessness.”
2. Page of Wands, Reversed: “Anecdotes, announcements, evil news. Also indecision and the instability which usually accompanies it.”
3. Eight of Pentacles, Reversed: “Voided ambition, vanity, cupidity, exaction, usury.”

There is an individual and a collective interpretation to this spread (as Draw Zero is one card with five figures and Draw One is three cards with one figure each), both of which are uncanny. I also realized, since all three cards are reversed, there is a hidden contradirectional reading (as if from the perspective of someone sitting “opposite” me at my desk).

Individual Reading: 

Knight of Pentacles (Reversed):

I have spent a lot of time passive and idle, discouraged by life’s failures and traumas, careless about the rest of my life, and only relatively recently have I been getting my act a little bit more together. Right now there is plenty of evil news which directly impacts me and mine (but it’s not all bad, even as the world burns), and I am facing some indecision surrounding school, work, and the future — so I have to take stock and realistically appraise where I’m at and where I can go from here, setting aside sunk costs and trajectories I just don’t have the momentum and force for.

“Voided ambition” follows my “indecision and the instability which usually accompanies it,” which itself follows and is caused by my historical (through to the present) “inertia, idleness, repose … stagnation … discouragement, carelessness.” I’ve coddled myself to an astounding degree and while my life has gotten a little bit more on track as of late, I’m still not as functional as I want to be, nor, I feel, am I pushing myself to the limits of that potential as it is. The will is like a muscle that has to be exercised: I need to exercise mine more. 

I’ve lost my mind more than a handful of times since high school in the mid- to late-2000s, had my heart broken and broke it myself a few more times. I’m legitimately schizophrenic (schizoaffective bipolar type, to be precise), and that’s a disability, but I’m coping and have supports and I take my meds, sleep well, and don’t use or abuse drugs and everything like that. Sometimes my supports, namely the official ones, over-attribute my recovery to my medications to the virtual exclusion of the cognitive, affective, and behavioral self struggle I dragged myself through for actual decades, but I honestly suppose that’s understandable considering their institutional roles, training, and experiences in their official and professional capacities. In the past, after dropping out of high school because of the onset of my schizophrenia, I’ve slept 14, 16, or even 18 hours, chain smoked two packs of cigarettes, drank 24-can cases of beer, and ate cheesesteaks with fries and Arizona Iced Tea Arnold Palmers almost every day.

My point is, I’ve been worse off with regards to sloth, torpor, lethargy, inactivity, being a recluse, being inert, basically an invalid, but I’ve recovered a lot and that took sustained effort over a long period of time …

A large part of it was self-applying pseudo-CBT style cognitive interventions, studying religion, spirituality, mysticism, magick, and the occult, ideologically if not materially dedicating myself to radical (eco-communist) politics, and meditating for sometimes 3 hours a day for years at a time (though maybe not meditating exactly correctly …).

Page of Wands (Reversed):

Of “anecdotes, announcements, evil news,” the world is ending, we all know it, and while there still may be hope for the species and complex life on Earth (in a world eco-communist scenario), it’s obvious that things are falling apart, and not just in the imperial core: in the colonized and already devastated regions things are also getting worse, the following quote notwithstanding:

“The apocalypse is not something which is coming. The apocalypse has arrived in major portions of the planet and it’s only because we live within a bubble of incredible privilege and social insulation that we still have the luxury of anticipating the apocalypse” (Terence McKenna).

Terence McKenna Rest In Peace.

I’ll note here that I got some personal “evil news” a week or two after this drawing: I received a letter saying I might owe a medical bill for my CPAP supplies totalling over $1,200.00. Not quite at the same level as the world literally ending but this matters to me personally. My small income and savings produced by my small amount of paid work would have been zeroed out by this bill. As it is, some other costs and bills will prevent me from replacing my phone before the Trump regime tariffs take effect. I wanted to replace my phone as a minimal preparatory measure for the civic decline and collapse that is coming in months if not weeks, but will either have to figure out a cheaper option or simply hold on to my old, damaged phone for the foreseeable future. I only include these historical synchronistic details to support the synchronistic-divinatory uncanniness of these draws/readings. (Since drafting the outline of this post the CPAP supplies problem has “sorted itself out.”)

“Indecision and the (accompanying) instability” factors into my feelings that because of personal defects and limitations, and also because of the financial constraints I hinted at above, I can’t pursue full university after I graduate community college, putting a question mark over my academic and professional future, and therefore my ability to support myself. I don’t feel like I need to list my various ambitions throughout all of my life thus far, suffice to say these visions of my future self are sufficiently “voided.” (Since drafting this I have received my diploma for an AS in General Studies and am considering taking one or two classes per semester at a local college, if I can afford it with help from my Parents, which I still have to ascertain.)

Eight of Pentacles (Reversed):

Regarding “vanity, cupidity,” I’ve been struggling with narcissistic delusions and intrusive thoughts — this is on top of my usual violent, sexual, and reactionary delusions and intrusive thoughts. I’m not necessarily comfortable with going into detail about these here at this time. (Since drafting this outline these symptoms have improved, perhaps in part because of the Reversed Reading below motivating me to dedicating myself to almost daily 3.2 mile walks, 1 hour meditation, and intellectual and emotional discipline … despite a recent reduction in my antipsychotic medication and ceasing my antidepressant (which was itself contributing to intense and quick-onset anger and rage over the smallest interpersonal and domestic details). I am still prone to grandiose delusions of a … religious nature, we can say. Yes, let’s say that.)

“Exaction (and) usury” may refer to my recent complaints to others about debts of money. I’m not quite charging interest and the loans were open-ended but for a lot of reasons complaining at all about this situation is small-minded and petty. Mainly I just want to upgrade my somewhat broken phone before it is impossible to do so.

At the individual level of the obvious reading of this draw, the cards have laid themselves out in a criticism of my main shortcomings and the immediate fruits of those karmic seeds in the realm of my day-to-day life.

Collective Reading:

The following collective reading of this draw is a little looser, more free-flowing, and shifts more freely from the three-stage past, present, and future format of the draw itself, being therefore more of a “collective” reading of the three cards as a whole:

“Stagnation,” and “indecision and (its attendant) instability,” have developed and culminated in the “anecdotes, announcements, evil news” of current events, chiefly “voided ambition, vanity, cupidity, exaction, usury”.

As of this writing, the president of the United States and his regime are doing much of the work of that country’s enemies by destroying its economy, mainstream domestic and worldwide political legitimacy, diplomatic relationships with allies, and reputation. This crisis may supply opportunities for the world revolutionary movement(s).

This isn’t the limit of the “anecdotes, announcements, evil news” which we are all privy to: Palestine, the Sudan, the Congo, and other nations and regions are being ravaged by genocide and famine, while Conquest, War, Famine, and Death increasingly stalk the rest of this blood soaked planet. Escalating tensions among the nuclear powers; pestilence; cascading ecological collapse; climate, income, and wealth  inequality; poverty, thirst, hunger, heat, cold, illness, injury, poison, and old age; mass migrations of Refugees from all of these — there is straightforwardly too much evil news to keep up with. 

I’m a Leftist, by which I mean radical, anti-capitalist, anti-imperialist: Communist. The actual Left, excluding liberals and social democrats. This personal religion writing project, the OpenCult blog, is likewise Communist. I haven’t been actively organized with a party, organization, or formation in over a decade. I’ve gone to exactly one demonstration in the past five or 10 years, which was a solidarity rally for Palestine and Aaron Bushnell at the spot of his self immolation in Washington DC a little over a year ago (at the time of my having previously drafted this outline). I think that, unfortunately, this pattern of low engagement and low mobilization is very typical among self-identifying radicals.

The Left has been weak and inactive in this country for quite some time, but its  “Inertia, idleness, repose of that kind, stagnation — also discouragement, carelessness” is mostly a product of repression by the capitalist state (your CIAs, your FBIs, your NSAs, your MSMs, your police departments, your public schools, your social media and other systems of mass indoctrination …). Still, it is hard to avoid the feeling that with the correct ideas and correct effort, the Left would be much stronger than it is. But it isn’t. It’s weak, disorganized, inert, idle, stagnant, discouraged, and perhaps even careless. Careless, because of a lack of confident, competent, and correct leadership, and because of distractions and undermining by an unfocused and diffuse approach to theory (gnosis) and praxis in response to developing current events.

National and global fascism is on the ascent, accelerating, consolidating, and all the so-called leadership of the “progressive resistance” can offer is obscene, meaningless, self-indulgent, and petty, empty gestures (reading that, in some ways not unlike this post). Of course the present and future are developments of the seeds of the past, but the qualitative developments of the news of today are bad and not good at all, and it’s insane, evil, and characterized by “indecision and … instability” to hold delusional denialism which goes beyond acknowledging the extension of past fascism into the present and says that, because we can trace present developments to similar origins in the past, we can therefore ignore the intensification and consolidation of global fascism in the present.

This impulse of denialism and indecision is itself the “voided ambition, vanity, cupidity, exaction, usury,” setting our sights lower than full Resistance, Rebellion, and Revolution, narcissistically obsessing with our own comforts, status, and ideological purity — but not motivated by a drive for actual correctness, instead actually just motivated by pursuing social clout and the perception of one’s peers as hooked in and hooked up and tapped into the movement without having to actually do anything.

And here the communal and personal merge: as this was a tarot draw by myself, for myself, then I have to acknowledge and admit that both the collective and the individual levels both primarily refer to me. I am the most guilty of all of these sins. I am the only one I know beyond a reasonable doubt who is obsessed with not making public mistakes and saying incorrect things, who gets casually lost in the weeds of others’ analysis, commentary, and theory without tangibly and concretely rooting this knowledge or pseudo-knowledge in real practice, and who, all factors calculated and all truth told, hasn’t accomplished or even contributed to the world movement for historical communism basically at all …

As I mentioned above, there is also an inverted interpretation, a way out, from the perspective of someone sitting opposite me, which is much more hopeful — yet tempered with the expectation of diligence and hard work.

Reversed Reading:

RWS Deck:

1. Eight of Pentacles: “An artist in stone at work. Divinatory Meanings: Work, employment, commission, craftsmanship, skill in craft and business.”
2. Page of Wands: “[A] young man stands in the act of proclamation. He is unknown but faithful, and his tidings are strange. Divinatory Meanings: Dark young man, faithful … an envoy, a postman. Beside a man, he will bear favorable testimony concerning him. … Has the chief qualities of his suit.”
3. Knight of Pentacles: “He rides a slow, enduring, heavy horse, to which his own aspect corresponds. Divinatory Meanings: Utility, serviceableness, interest, rectitude, responsibility.”

The Learning the Tarot keywords are, paraphrased:

1. Knight of Pentacles: Determined but blinkered.
2. Page of Wands: Have faith in and apply yourself.
3. Eight of Pentacles: Give close attention, follow through, and apply learning.

Per the Page of Wands, the chief qualities of the Suit of Wands (from Wikipedia, “Suit of wands”): “Divinatory and occult meanings: In Aleister Crowley’s 1944 The Book of Thoth, the suit of wands is associated with the action of the Will and the element of fire [or energy]. The meaning of the suit as a whole focuses on ideas or readings associated with primal energy, spirituality, inspiration, determination, strength, intuition, creativity, ambition, expansion, and original thought. … Generally the suit is interpreted by modern English-language astrology practitioners as relating to work and accomplishments, or even anything broadly related to fruitfulness. Reaping the benefits of hard work is a fundamental aspect of such interpretations of the suit. … The meanings of the Wands Tarot cards deal with the spiritual level of consciousness and mirror what is important to you at the core of your being. They address what makes you tick – your personality, ego, enthusiasm, self-concept, and personal energy, both internal and external. … The negative aspects of the Suit of Wands include illusion, egotistical behaviour, impulsiveness, a lack of direction or purpose, or a perception of meaninglessness.”

Self cultivation and self development. Diet, exercise. School. Work. Chores and errands. Spending time with Friends and Family. I need to increase and improve my religious and political theory and practice. Meditation, reading, writing, social study and practice.

This contradirectional reading gives the impression that long-term, dedicated application of effort to both immediate materialist and more transcendent goals and projects will yield a greater yet “trippy” payoff. I’ll take it.

The RWS Deck, Learning the Tarot, and Crowley’s Wands interpretation of the Wands Suit plus “favorable testimony” of the Page of Wands applied to the Eight and Knight of Pentacles (“Beside a man”) suggest that if I dedicate myself to my domestic, employment, political, and spiritual objectives, that the Universe will authorize a cashout of some kind. In an ideal world the benefits of my work would apply to me in my personal life and also extend into the social and natural world(s). If I had to choose, though, the collective level is more important than my own benefit or even wellbeing. I say this, and know that in a monkey’s paw or even just “be careful what you wish for” type situation I may really regret this distinction — but what’s right is right.

(And, it goes almost without saying that the general message of the masses of righteous and innocent individuals plodding along with their hard work, drive, application, and dedication will yield political and spiritual dividends together applies at the collective level — a micro-“collective reading” of this “secret reading.”)

And since drafting the outline of this post, (and Draw Two below is a factor), I have improved and advanced in my domestic, employment, perhaps not political, but yes spiritual objectives.

I have gone mulitiple-month-long stretches with no tobacco or alcohol (see below). I have walked 3+ miles nearly every day for several months. I have received my associate’s degree from community college. I have resumed an almost daily one-hour meditation practice and advanced at least two qualitative stages in that practice. I have gone from maybe twenty-something to 50+ pushups some days from a daily pushup routine.

And as for trippy results? See below.

Draw Two:

(Su. 4/13)

“‪Proud I didn’t smoke or drink today. About 4 or 5 packs into this interval of smoking I’m trying to stop, at 2-3 days a pack. 3 or 4 days of drinking in a row, but just one tall can of Voodoo Ranger a night … But I take meds that interact. Last Saturday I got Drunk drunk. So yeah tryna cut it out.”

“Now I need to get back into my aerobics (rowing) and meditation. I’ll be way more consistent after I graduate but I mean it’s pretty sad that I’m just taking two classes and working PT 3-5hrs/wk and I can’t make time for 1hr/day meditation and rowing 3x/wk. I have sleep chores & errands too, though.”

“So yes I’m still very much disabled but I’m also still very much trying to min/max leveling myself up. I want to contribute to Resistance Rebellion and Revolution, for Salvation Liberation and Enlightenment, according to my ability. I feel that is itself a need. #1EM+K+.”

“… No way this is my 1 card draw right after writing this: (See photo below)”

“‘VIII of Cups, Rider Tarot Deck: A man of dejected aspect is deserting the cups of his Felicity, enterprise, undertaking or previous concern.’ Interpretation: Finished part of a group project today, trying to quit drinking, and graduating soon.”

The above quoted paragraphs and the included image are the series of Bluesky “skeets” (posts) I made after drinking for three or four nights in a row. I was feeling very rough and like I needed to make a drastic decision regarding cutting out drinking completely. Then, I sat down, shuffled, and drew exactly one card, and it was the VIII of Cups.

I took it as a very direct and, yes, uncanny sign from the universe — especially in continuity from Draw Zero and Draw One together leading to this one.

Now, ironically but I don’t think tragically as long as I don’t continue my deviation, I am drinking for the first time in almost four months tonight. (Rather, I drank four beers last night and am about to finish off the second of the last two beers of that six pack without the intention of purchasing any more alcohol in the near future — we’ll see how that goes.) Considering that I have this one life and that I was stopping drinking for reasons, moderate drinking is tolerable to me — I don’t have to be so concrete and black-and-white about this dynamic in my life … but the problem is that I have an addictive personality and it is easy for me to settle into old habits. I have previously, as mentioned, been a drink-a-24-case-a-night-every-night alcoholic. I have no intention of reverting to that condition.

This is reinforced by my conceptualization of Mythic Meta-Gamification (MMG), where the Tarot is a portal to cosmic intelligence(s) that is trying to guide me in “The Game”. I may have mentally made a vow or oath never to drink a drop again but I don’t remember for sure, which is distressing. I’m not a demon or a fae, though, nor some kind of paladin, so oath-breaking on something as personal as this decision troubles me moreso in terms of angering any entities, beings, or persons who are evaluating my conduct with respect to that given oath and are therefore extending or withdrawing support for my life and my goals (See: The Prayer DLC).

This concern is not idle speculation for me. At the time I decided to stop drinking, I was routinely drinking several times a week and playing computer games (Avernum: Escape from the Pit) while listening to music (DOOM, CunninLynguists, and Aesop Rock heavy rotation). I conceived of the dynamic as “synchronicity farming”: I was experiencing a large amount of very specific and convincing synchronicities (meaningful coincidences attributable to cosmic “acausality”, itself overdetermined through secular/materialist causality), at the level of thought-gameplay-music.

Then, when I stopped drinking, stopped gaming, and focused my limited time on more productive and active pursuits, as if by literal magick I transitioned from the world of illusion (alcohol, digital device based synchronicities) to the world of the real: I started getting frequent and strong synchronicities while taking walks, driving, or in conversation etc. My personal theoretical magickal advancement quickened, and I have been making plans for seeking out a location for and performing rituals and ceremonies for practical magick.

If I’m being charitable to myself this sort of relapse into drinking and smoking may filter out fickle entities who I would inevitably disappoint at some crucial point where I failed an unforeseen test or evaluation — I wouldn’t live up to their expectations and they would abandon me. Now, if they leave, maybe I can reason and persuade them to return with the knowledge that I am not a saint but that I am trying, or I can continue from this low stakes, lower level to a higher level without reciprocally relying on cosmic or occult entities, beings, and/or persons who are liable to be unreliable (because of my own unreliability).

But ultimately, Draws Zero, One, and Two together reflect the opposite: that the Cosmos and its invisible beings have more faith in me than I do in myself, and that if I listen to them, I am capable of much more than I believe I am.

Update: Draw Three:

After finalizing the post above I did an additional drawing, with the intention of having the cards reveal an important duality, personal, social, or cosmic.

This is a very specific drawing that works at a few different levels.

The most obvious is: drinking, which I, shall we say, relapsed into the week I was finishing this post, is addressed by Temperance, Reversed. Google’s supplied definitions from Oxford Languages for temperance are “1. abstinence from alcoholic drink. … 2. the quality of moderation or self-restraint.” If we accept the arcane specificity of the one-card “VIII of Cups” in “Draw Two” above, along with all the circumstantial details surrounding that card, then I think I also have to accept that this is a clear and direct message from the cards that I should abstain. Given, the word “temperance” has the second general usage definition above, but for a long time it has had the very specific and precise meaning of abstaining from alcohol — to the point that there was a movement in this country in the 1800s and 1900s known as The Temperance Movement. If I wanted to water this reading down I could decide to read it as “maybe drink every once in a while,” but my gut tells me I should do my damnedest to refrain completely from alcohol.

For that matter, I think the “cups of my felicity” don’t just include alcohol, but also other hedonistic, immoderate, and unhealthy habits like fast food and cigarettes — even staying up too late at night, skipping my daily walks, or skipping my hour of daily meditation. Buddhism famously advocates a “Middle Way,” between asceticism and hedonism, but by modern and especially Western standards the actual specifics of the Middle Way as outlined by the Buddha would definitely be considered generally ascetic.

And Buddhism also supplies one of two main readings of the second card in this duality: crossing to the other shore, the goal of the religious path, individual Salvation, Liberation, and Enlightenment. I can’t say that I’m an orthodox Buddhist by any stretch of the imagination, but I do consider myself a Buddhist in my own way, and I would like nothing more than to bend myself towards individual (religious) Salvation, Liberation, and Enlightenment, and collective (political) Salvation, Liberation, and Enlightenment.

I also note that the able bodied man ferrying what appears to be a mother and her child across the water would be incapacitated by any of my chronic indulgences. I have Nephews, Cousins, Extended Family, and Relatives for whom I want to provide whatever support I can in any way possible in these troubling times (of “evil news” and “strife”). In general this is not restricted only to my Family, but the whole world of humanity and subjective beings. I want to be an agent in this world for the values of The Prayer. I want to contribute to my side’s victory in the final confrontations of human history, and the struggle for Life on Earth.

With six fucking swords sticking through the bottom of the skiff we already have our work cut out for us.

So the primary message from the left side of the duality, failure in Temperance, reinforces the message of the VIII of Cups to me that abstinence from self-destructive habits is key to how I fit into, if not making something of myself, making at least as best an effort as I can to try to fix things before we all sink. Moderation in less extreme comforts is reasonable and necessary as well. So it’s not the Google #1 or the Google #2 reading of that first card, it’s both.